God exists: Prove me wrong.

Use something a little more complex than "my dad died so he doesnt exist"

and be a bit smarter than the alien loving nerds that will inevitably reply with "theres no proof"
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Liquatic
nothing the bible adds up. for example: if Adam and Eve populated the world why don't we all have mental problems? like what happens when a brother and a sister have a child. Adam and Eve had Cain and Able two BOYS. BOYS AND BOYS cant have kids AND Cain killed Able so he was the only heir to populate the planet but the only person and his parents. The only way for him to have a child is if he were to have a kid with Eve (his mother) but, that child would have some sort of dissorder which would give us ALL mental problems and deformities which would eventually lead us humans to die out not populate to 6.5 billion
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ChicaBoo
god doesn't exist because i went over to his house the other day and i killed him
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fellowcraft
There r people in the world that r starving
there r people in the world being abused by those who should love them
There r people in the world that have been raped and the person who raped them let go for lack of whatever

If ur god is real then u tell me y bad things happen to good people and the world is more like a living hell then anything else
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erica8494
Didn't your god just sorta...pop there?

Can people just accept that there are many people who are never going to believe in God? I've accepted that you're not going to just stop believing in him because of anything I say. Stop thinking you're some kind of hero.
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BloodlustAugust
E-MC2..really? REALLY?!

You can't give me something that doesn't have to do with Science to prove God exists, can you?
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SlytherinAngel
E=MC2

but you'll likely have no idea how that possibly relates....so in response to your predictable reply...i say, do research.
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Liquatic
DNA has nothing to do with God as far as I'm concerned.

Now give me actual proof that there is a God.
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SlytherinAngel
but DNA is a code that evolution cant explain. to dawinists, dna just sorta popped up in there....great explanation
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Liquatic
Science can explain DNA

DNA isn't God's creation until God is proven to exist. It's just evolution.
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SlytherinAngel
so DNA code is a theory now?
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Liquatic
I said evidence that has been proven as REAL SOLID evidence, not theory.
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its evidence of a designer. just as DNA code is further evidence. something that complex and intricate couldn't be made by evolution. something like that requires a coder, someone who can implement the code that sprouts out to form everything as planned in the code.

and to deny a creator of DNA code is like saying Windows 7 was just formed after a computer sat around for a couple of years and suddenly sprouted a new operating system. Thats about how logical it is to deny a designer.
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Liquatic
Nope, that is not evidence that God exists sorry.
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SlytherinAngel
We've gone through it several times. The earth's position in relation to the sun is one obvious piece of evidence. The fact that its so perfectly aligned to get just the right amount of light, darkness, heat, and cold. All of that together creating the perfect place for life to thrive. Chance?
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Liquatic
God may or may not exist.

Give me proof that he does.

Solid evidence I can look at and has been verified as real evidence.
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SlytherinAngel
Whos to say that Allah and God arent the same thing?
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Liquatic
Speaking of dodging you have dodged my last comment as well as the one where I asked if God is real because he can't be proven not to be then why is God real and Allah and all the other religions not?
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ididitallforyou
Speaking of dodging you have dodged my last comment as well as the one where I asked if God is real because he can't be proven not to be then why is God real and Allah and all the other religions not?
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ididitallforyou
Slytherin just answer the question, stop dodging it. Im getting boring because you're tired of having to come up with something you obviously have no answer to. I never said I was here to change anyone, I just wanna know why people dont believe, and I want to hear something more full proof than the childish reasons people have now.
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Liquatic
This is why I just put my FaceBook religion as
"Spiritual."
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DestinyDisaster
"started" should be inquotes
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lolllll
so what if the universe started with the big bang?

that doesn't prove that before the big bang, the universe didn't exist in some other form. what if the big bang is just one of many and 'big crunches' happen every now and then?

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lolllll
You know, you're becoming quite boring.

Just give up.

You're not going to get anyone to see your point of view on this matter because everyone has their own opinions.
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SlytherinAngel
slytherin, how is that at all a sufficient answer to the question of brain death visions? you just throw in a "god is just an opinion" still doesnt answer the fact that those doctors only have opinions and not facts for the BRAIN DEATH VISIONS issue.
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Liquatic
everything is opinion. even god.
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SlytherinAngel
"maybe you should research things before debating on them" How about you learn some theoretical physics? Learn a little something about the dreaded Big Bang Theory, or maybe a little reading into string theory or relativity, they deal with the concept of time as well a million of scientific theories.
I will end will an almighty LOL and leave you to your delusions, bye now.
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ididitallforyou
thank you slytherin, they gave their opinions...not facts. ;)
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Liquatic
the universe isnt eternal because its always expanding, if its always expanding, it had to have a starting point. some people believe that its constantly expanding and collapsing but the amount of gravity needed from each galaxy and star for that to happen is way more than the mass of each, and therefore impossible. expansion is the only fact, it had to start somewhere
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Liquatic
Like I said, do research before trying to debate them.

If you had done research you would have found several studies and doctors who give their opinions on the matter.
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SlytherinAngel
just because 'time' can't be proven, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, which you seem to assume

i don't see how that's relevant.

answer why the universe can't be eternal and self sufficient to its own existence?

could i not say that just because it isn't proven, doesn't it's not true?
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maybe you should do research on things before debating them. you think im naive enough to talk about brain death activity and not have research to back it up? obviously it looks like you have no answers since you keep referring me to doctors that "specialize in that sort of thing"
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Liquatic
It's quite worrying that he actually believes his own bullshit...
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ididitallforyou
Time is relative, time isnt even proven, the only time that is possibly proven is day and night, but exact time, minutes seconds hours days...its all relative, its unstable. there's nothing factual about it.

Day and night only exist because of the earths rotation, not because in 8 hours it magically gets dark.
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Liquatic
There are doctors out there who specialize in researching that type of thing you know.

Maybe you should do research on these things before debating them?
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SlytherinAngel
how is time man made?

you just said that god created everything.

why can't the universe be eternal?
you can't just claim that god made it.

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So if I go to a doctor now and say, "if someone has visions of an after life that is consistent with every single other unrelated near death experience, and they can even see accurately what doctors around them are doing, even if they're in another room....yet their brain has completely shut down with no electricity or any form of life.....can you explain it"

will they explain that?
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Liquatic
You say we are closed minded but you refuse to even consider a world created my anything else except God
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ididitallforyou
Like I said, there are several medical sites that explain everything. Go ask a doctor even.

I never claimed to be an expert when it comes to medical situations.
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SlytherinAngel
@Slytherin, yet you didnt provide the proof. you just stated a non specific claim that I dont think even you understand.

beginning, now, end, they're all words describing time. and time is man made, so why would God need a beginning if he is outside of time?
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Liquatic
why does the universe need to have an intelligent creator as opposed to just being the beginning of everything?

how come God doesn't need a beginning?
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lolllll
There are several medical sites that would give you the information you need on that.

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SlytherinAngel
You have no idea about theoretical physics so yet AGAIN go suck a bible
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ididitallforyou
Why do I think the universe had a beginning? ummm maybe because your science has proven it?

And slytherin a coma doesnt make the brain stop. thats what i meant by brain dead, as in NO brain activity, the brain shutdown, and they're still able to interpret their environment and the other side.
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Liquatic
why do you assume the universe had a beginning?

also just because you see things doesn't mean god had to do with it

people who use opiates or other drugs have hallucinations and those are associated with receptors in the body.
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lolllll
Mopy...what? xD

Your comment struck me as amusing.
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Firefly728
Are you still here?!
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ididitallforyou
That's called being in a coma -_- and suffering from being in a dream-like state that you can't wake up from.
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SlytherinAngel
Okay, I'm leaving this debate.

It's not you...I'm just so physically drained, I could just collapse.

This conversation was rather interesting, I must admit.

It's nice to see you have something to believe in.

Best of luck with your life. :)
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Firefly728
any possible hallucinations would come from the brain still partially being active in the slightest.

What about those who are clinically brain dead and come back on the hospital bed telling the doctors exactly what they saw the doctors doing, and what they saw on the other side.
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Liquatic
"No magical, white-robed man descended from the clouds and told me everything was going to be okay."

-You haven't met my ex. Only difference was he wore black robes, not white. I'm only barely kidding.
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Mopy
Dying and coming back? That's easily explained by doctors.

People can have a very faint pulse that isn't detectable or whatever and then be mistaken for dead.
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SlytherinAngel
I know because in all my 23 years of living, I've seen things that I can't explain. I've watched love surface where it shouldnt have, I've heard stories of people dying and coming back, and from all around the world the stories are always consistent. I believe so strongly, because I can feel the essence of the spirit within me, and it helps me overcome anything that may stand in my way.
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Liquatic
I love when someone brings up the subject of belief in God, some people automatically think the discussion has to do with religion or some ancient book called the bible. Religion and belief in God don't necessarily go hand in hand.
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Mopy
I am not as shallow as that.

Believe it or not, I am not your typical spoiled, temper-throwing, wrist-cutting child.

I am thirteen years old, and I have been supporting my family for as long as I can remember.

I apologize, I must admit that your perception on prayer is beginning to make sense to me.

But I still don't get how you just...KNOW that a God exists.
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Firefly728
Prayer is communication with God, it's not asking God for everything you want and then getting pissed when it doesnt happen. If it was meant to happen it will, if not, then it wont.

You probably asked your parents for a lot of things, and sometimes it was in your best interest that they would say no, and you probably got pissed and had a temper and hated them...Same thing.
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Liquatic
I've prayed too many fucking times in my pathetic little life, and you know what?

People can't run on hopes and beliefs that no one can prove.

It just all ends in disappointment.

At least for me, anyway.
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Firefly728
*judgment day comes

I have also read a quite a lot of the bible
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ididitallforyou
Then you obviously dont know prayer. Prayer isnt about getting what you want. Prayer isnt about asking and suddenly instantly receiving. If you didnt get what you wanted then it wasnt meant to happen, and no amount of prayer would have changed that.
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Liquatic
Well when judgement days I might believe you mmmmmkay
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ididitallforyou
Hey, I've read the Bible.

I read the Bible when I was seven, every last page.

I was desperate, and I believed I would find some sort of inspiration, some hope.

I didn't.

I got so scared about my current situation that I prayed, as little as a month ago...

Guess what? Nothing happened. No magical, white-robed man descended from the clouds and told me everything was going to be okay. My life is spiraling downward, and there's not a fucking thing anyone can do.
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Firefly728
ididitallforyou, you really dont know the bible, are you basing that off of a theory, does it say in the book of revelations that its about the roman empire? If you actually had half a brain and did your research you would know its about the future, as it literally says in revelations that heaven will come down to earth and all evil purged....look around you...evil is still around thus it HASNT happened yet.
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Liquatic
It sure is :) try cutting with a bible
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ididitallforyou
Damn you guys really hurt my feelings tonight, guess ill go cut. thats the ONLY way to solve this issue :)
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Liquatic
LOL that's your worst attempt yet. Are you aware that the book of revelations is about the fall of the Roman Empire and was written by a man?
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ididitallforyou
Let's all just leave this post and go discuss BBQs :).
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SlytherinAngel
I don't put down people's religions, Atheism isnt a religion, its a lack thereof. So I'm actually putting down their lack of belief.
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Liquatic
OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mariee
Im so glad slytherinangel came in here to provide her pointless retort, ill just go ahead and skip that one, as I usually find myself having to do.
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Liquatic
Of course you're free to discuss anything you like here, it's secretTALK, after all.

However, I think the way you're going about it is a bit--forgive me--stubbornly straightforward, narrow-minded.

As soon as someone pipes up about their beliefs, you shoot them down like they absolutely don't matter because they don't believe in God.

Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, you know. It doesn't put you or anyone else on a pedestal because they believe in God (or vice versa).
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Firefly728
Well then there's no need for a debate.

Now shut up because you aren't converting anyone to Christianity today.
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SlytherinAngel
I think and I think everyone else thinks this is a really pointless "discussion". Everyone knows you can't prove or disprove something so abstract. You can battle this out till you guys are dead and buried. Bye. :)
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safetynet
research biblical prophecies, and you'll find that nearly all of them have come true, and the only ones that havent, are ones that havent happened yet.
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Liquatic
So you just ignore my comment. I feel sad :( I liked my Justice League idea
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ididitallforyou
no proof for a god, and no proof in aliens.
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Liquatic
this argument about whether God is real or not will never get solved, THERE IS NO PROOF THERE IS NO PROOF THERE IS NO PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!! either you believe in God or you don't, that's where its at right now and that's probably where its going to stay simple as that!!!!!
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mariee
God is the ultimate creator of everything in the world.
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Liquatic
Nothing on this website at all needs to be discussed, but we discuss it anyways because we're free to do so.

No one needs to discuss how you cut everyday because you got yelled at, or how you left your boyfriend for a 40 year old guy, or how you may be turning gay...no one cares, but yet we discuss it because its there....you dont wanna discuss? then leave.
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Liquatic
what's your definition of God?

right now, you have not defined God...so this is pointless.
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lolllll
Dude, let's have a BBQ discussing this. All Gods, Aliens, and whoever else wants to come are invited. Let's see who shows up. Probably no one, because no one gives a shit. Religion or lack of is a personal issue, it doesn't need to be discussed.
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safetynet
Where is your REAL proof against the Flying Spaghetti Monster? The US government recognizes it as a real religion so why don't you? They can't both exist so logically we must both be wrong or there is a Justice League style group of Deities that all exist.
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ididitallforyou
Let me ask you this, in all honesty: what proof do you have that your God exists?
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Firefly728
STOP trying to shove religion down everyone's throats.
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SlytherinAngel
I'm not a cutter but after this hugh debate over God and aliens I think I might start
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mariee
I believe what I believe yes, but I just wanna know WHY people dont believe...with something more than having their feelings hurt and they stopped believing, or they thought it was cool not to.

I want REAL proof against a God. I wanna see if anyone can actually do it. It's not about finding out who's right or wrong, it's trying to understand the other side.
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Liquatic
There is no debate >.< it's just you being stupid
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ididitallforyou
Why are you so anxious to fight about your God and whether or not he exists?

I don't believe in him, I'm sorry, but that's what I believe and you can't change my mind.

If we're a site full of ridiculous wrist-cutting fourteen-year-olds, then why even bother concerning yourself with us in the first place?

Honestly, almost every post from you is something related to your religious beliefs, and it's great that you believe in God, but you don't have to go stirring up big fights over who's beliefs are correct. I agree with crx.
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Firefly728
Nope not upset, just waiting for a nice intelligent debate, hoping someone mature will actually come forth and give me a challenge. You kids are just laughable really. Go pick up a knife kids, go solve all your problems, welcome to cuttingtalk.com! :)

Now onto the debate.
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Liquatic
There are so many religions and belief systems yet you say yours is correct simply because it is. Why aren't the others right.
Except Dave, hes real
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ididitallforyou
ahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaha you seem a little upset
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mariee
No, honestly dont catch your drift, so on to intelligent discussion, or is that asking too much from cuttingtalk.com?
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Liquatic
Do you catch my drift?
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ididitallforyou
Why so bitter, Liquatic?
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Lies
Ishvara exists, prove me wrong
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ididitallforyou
so far mariee has laughed twice and said an irrelevant statement, like most of you. Good to see some intelligent debate going here, but what can I really expect from a site full of 14 year olds that cut themselves every day.
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Liquatic
Pangu exists, prove me wrong
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ididitallforyou
hahahahahahaha @ididitallforyou
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mariee
I'll bring the potato salad.
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Lies
Dave exists, prove me wrong?
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ididitallforyou
It got serious because you have no valid argument in the matter? At least when I post I add something to the table.
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Liquatic
you sure do enjoy religious battles.
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safetynet
My Grandmother and Great-Grandmother died, so he obviously doesn't exist.
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SlytherinAngel
this just got real serious for mister liquatic
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mariee
There's no proof that he exists.
There's no proof that he doesn't.
Drop it.
Arguing gets everyone nowhere
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Crxfmxhn
Allah exists, prove me wrong
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ididitallforyou
FSM exists, prove me wrong?
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ididitallforyou
ahhhh haahahahahahahahahahaha
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mariee
My dad died, so he doesn't exist.
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